of Bullseye, 148 gr lead DEWC and Federal 100 primers. . Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. Bought my small handed wife a 642. The mild recoil of the mid-range load is a perfect mate to the .38s that most shooters own these daysthe airweight J-Frame or equivalent. Hodgdon gives starting load of 4.0 grains and 4.4 grains MAX. Great to get the Mrs out there! I simply took mixed brass and ran em through the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP press with the bare minimum preparation. In one or two strokes, the bullet is formed ready for dip lubing. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. more weight than the similar size CA .44 Bulldog, were available, a lot more people would also like the .44 spl. .38 Special +P (Alliant Reloaders Guide) Warning! Unique was a sooty powder so Ive switched to W231. rattlesnake of a revolver made me bleed. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck.. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved ! Last time we took it to the range, I was trying to cycle the old +P ammo to load standard Lehigh ammo, I fired one shot, put the gun down and cursed while shaking my hand. Have you all found different seat depths to work better than what's in the manual? Does anyone have any luck with Jacked Bullets. Just want to state for the record, that with one of the more heavy duty Corbin presses it is possible to easily swage some hard cast bullets. A handgunner using .38 Specials is set for targets, plinking and small game while .357 Mag. A revolver shooting .38 SPL only requires the power of your finger to make it fire and can thus be loaded with ammo that is extremely mild or hotter than hot. People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. Bonus is that dont need magnum Primers for these reloads. This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great. It was introduced in 1902 by Smith & Wesson, and has since become a worldwide cartridge. It will then fit in your 38 Special gun. Never ransom rested it, but held 10 ring off sandbags. I really enjoy Trail Boss and use it extensively for plain lead and plated bullets. But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War. 4.2 gr. Try. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max), Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max), 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max). Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. Like Wobbly. As an old bullseye guy I've stuck with Bullseye powder for almost 30yearsusing lead bullets. 300 Blackout Fine-Tuning: Finding the Right Barrel Length for Your Rifle. 158 gr. Required fields are marked *. Haven't tried it in the Colt Officer's Model Match yet. The .38 Special remains very popular for personal protection and Michelle Hamilton shares her thoughts on the top loads for concealed carry, like this 158-grain SWCHP FBI Load, based on her testing. Most double end wad cutters are 148 grain, and DR bullets must be 158 grain. accuracy. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. 6.) Power Pistols works well in short auto cartridges and higher pressure cartridges but no so well with a 158 grain bullets in 38 Special. If youre recoil averse (and dont have a disability of some kind), its because you havent shot it enough. But for plinking, they'd be fine. .38 special has got to be one of the best calibers there is . It is easy to load in progressive presses and has commercially available options from virtually all modern manufacturers. The cartridge offers a great deal of zest and has thousands of possible load combinations. The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. I use 3.2 gr Bullseye to push a 125 gr cast along at 750 - 775 fps in the 38 SPL from 5 and 6" barreled revolvers. This produces about 550-650fps from a 1 7/8 barrel and feels like shooting a very powerful .22LR. My experience has always been with bullseye powder. My Ruger LCR .357 Magnum is pleasant to shoot even with full pressure loads. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. DR loads (158gr Remington swaged LSWC over 3.6gr AA#2 in Winchester .38 Special cases) I shoot American eagle, remington factory,remington umc, and mag tech. Display as a link instead, If you are new to reloading. I once rented a Ruger LCR in .38 Special. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck. I love a nice, full-size .357 Magnum on the range because it is so easy to train new shooters on. Accurate's No. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. Groups with these loads ranged from 1.25 inches to just under two inches at 25 yards across a handful of pistols. I don't completely understand the physics behind it. 4.2 gr. 32 S&W Long 15,000 Any clues for powder and starting loads???? 125: 125: 130: 135: 140: 140: 146: 148: 158: 158: 158: 170 _____ Quick Links Home Load Data Bullet Points: BE SURE TO CHECK OUT & FOLLOW MY INSTAGRAM FEED CONNECT WITH THE 1895GUNNER.COM COMMUNITY . The jump straight to relatively hot GI hardball challenged many students, and failure to meet standards meant being dropped from the course. Then duplicate with reloads for practice. I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. To many shooters, .45 ACP means 230-grain hardball at 830 fps. The average street punk today has more firepower than the Russian Army did in WWII and trying to re-load a revolver in a fire fight is the best way to commit suicide that I could ever think of. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q Don't worry too much about lead/coated/plated/jacketed. Components add up to far less than even generic grade factory ammo. Using higher pressure loads will wear brass out faster and it will become brittle with time. I have 100% confidence in my ability to shoot quickly, accurately, and comfortably with the 32, and I also have confidence that, if needed, my 32 H&R loads from Buffalo Bore and DoubleTap are quite capable of doing the job they are asked to do. If you're looking for a real light load that's easy to shoot, I'd just use WW's data for the W231 with a 125 gr. Winchester's website has data for W231 and a 125 gr LRNFP, but not plated. This load chugs downrange at 750 feet each second and functions standard recoil springs with no issue. That revolver is aluminum and cannot handle the pressure of 9MM. Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders. Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. But you guys need to practice more. 38 Special 125 gr XTP American Gunner Item #90324 | 25/Box The American Gunner line of ammunition is a collection of tried-and-true, versatile loads that are popular with shooters for their target shooting, hunting or self-defense needs. Notes: Bbl Length: 5.6; primer: Fed. Start conservative if you wish. Paste as plain text instead, Your previous content has been restored. When I finally got my hands on a pound of Bullseye, I naturally started with some of these loads. Robert Frost. Yeah, my wifes last gun, with +P it actually HURTS! I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. I picked some up from my local Scheels yesterday. As for the load ya the 158gr will probably take a little more, but your gun will tell you how much more.. Shoots well in my K-38, 686, and a friend's K-38 at 50 yards in the Ransom rest. This is my plink load for the kids. Too early Are you sure? LRNFP - your load, with a plated bullet should be Very Similar, or slightly slower and safer. I can not be held responsible for. Re: 38 special loads by GrumpyOldMan 11/10/2013, 4:23 pm IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. Wife handled it with no problem, those 5 Super Vel had been in the gun probably over 5 years by then, she bought it to CARRY, not to shoot, if she needed to fire it to save her life it would be fine. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. When you say "not working" can you be more specific? it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. With the powders you listed I would try Bullseye, 231, and Unique in that order. For me, the 32 H&R Mag is my 357 Mag, and the 32 S&W Long is my 38 SPL. My M60 came w/ factory banana grips- open back, long enough for pinkie rest but too small in girth behind the trigger guard. All right are Reserved Reload Ammo, Reloading The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol), hi=849 lo=728 ES=122 (powder up and down), hi=821 lo=684 ES=137 (powder up and down), hi=815 lo=637 ES=178 (powder in normal positions), hi=714 lo=549 ES=165 (powder up and down), hi=758 lo=693 ES=65 (powder up and down)(DO NOT USE LESS), Hi=886, Lo=861, ES=25 (This is a Carolina Cast bullet SWC-great cowboy load), hi=859 lo=743 ES=116 *(my personal medium load), hi=875 lo=685 ES=190.2(powder up and down), hi=710 lo=497 ES=213 (powder up and down), hi=791 lo=625 ES=166 (Powder up and down), hi=785 lo=670 ES=115 (powder up and down), hi=801, low=766 ES=35.32 in Contender 14 bbl. Lord only knows how many cartridge cases I hammered with a plastic mallet into that Lee, it had to be thousands. Ethan Johns is a military professional with worldwide experience in specialized units. Send the cylinder out to get cut for moon clips and adapted to 9mm, so you can shoot both 38/357/9mm and use all on moon clips. Dont know where #1 Buckshot can be found, but the Speer shot cups and UNIQUE powder currently easy enough to find. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. The mention of a Lee Loader somewhere above took me back to the good-old days. Ive probably picked up 300 cases of .38 the past few months and will continue to grab them as I see them, but whats nice is I can shoot more and put that money towards brass for .32 or .45 Colt, stuff that I never see at the range. Main issue is that the .44 spl. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. 100 except where otherwise noted in "remarks" Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Shot placement is just as important if not more. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. In terms of the best stopping power for .38 Special, I personally like 150 grain full wadcutters or 158 grain hollowpoint semi-wadcutters. So, I'm guessing the pressure curve isn't as severe as some of the faster burners. 1.455 in. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. Between that, some other info on other forums, Winchester's data for a lead flat point, and numbers from loaddata.com, I think I have some to start with. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. I carried a lightly customized 4 inch heavy barrel model 10 for years, with a black cerakote job. revolver, with a 3 barrel, and 4 6 oz. ), I very much wanted to start with some tried-and-true Bullseye loads, but it took an epic scavenger hunt across many months to find a canister of the elusive classic. They have a large selection about the hard cast loads from 90 to 170 gains. BrianEnos.com My point being is I used the resources I have, looked elsewhere (The High Road, The Firing Line), and wanted to try here. Im new to loading the 38 for accuracy, but the biggest issue I found with case length is your crimp. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. I did find a 145 grain Lead HP with a rounded ogive (like the last NyClad) on Gunbroker that opens really well if you get above 800 fps. .38 Special is a lot more comfortable in a service size revolver like my Model 10. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. Thanks for your help. Thank you for the article. Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). I SEE THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT USE THE AMMO FOR D/R. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. Not all guns are created equal. In terms of thousands of rounds of range practice, though, that is a definite no-go in my book. From my Hornady Third Edition manual 38 Special 158 Grain Lead Round Nose #3586 Win 231 3.0 Grains 650 FPS 4.4 Grains 850 FPS Now I will tell you from experience you do NOT want to load Lead Bullets Fast. 4.) 01-10-2014, 06:49 PM #4. dverna. And if youre doing that [shooting 158 grain bullets at 1200 fps muzzle velocity] with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. 9.) Through the heyday of bullseye shooting over the various match courses of fire, there was probably a Mount Rushmore-sized mountain of powder loaded and combusted 2.7 grains at a time. That sounds. The .327 Fed Mag is IT! The other .38 Special is a 4 Colt Diamondback. I still think highly of the LCR but would shoot only 148 grain wadcutters in .38 Special or .32 H&R Magnums in the .327 Magnum model. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. In fact, in the past I specifically sought out revolvers chambered in 38 SPL only, knowing I would never be putting a 357 Mag in it (I carried a 4 GP100 chambered in 38 SPL as a duty sidearm in the early 90s). My best group was .9 inch out of a Model 15. I have 4 handguns that will shoot .38. I started loading .38s with a Lyman nut cracker and a home made measure for Bullseye over 65 years ago. At one time or another, I also owned and shot a M38 Bodyguard (nka the 638), a M37 Chiefs Special (now the 637), a M60 (which is a tad heavier but no more user-friendly), and a couple of others. Wes, SASS Wire rules prohibit posting specific load data on the forum, but it can be passed along via private message or email. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? Biggest problem I had was the lubricating cases for sizing and then cleaning them afterwards, I guess grit was somehow scratching the cases after getting stuck in the lube. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. I can get away with using it as cast w/ alox. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. BTW, I wish I had any one of those three revolvers today. You have entered an incorrect email address! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Pick up any current gun magazine and youll be inundated with images of sexy black rifles. That little 9 oz. There seems to be a dearth of information using WST powder for the 38 Spl cartridge. Hmm. Thx so it seems like for the long line I need to get some sagged bullets. If she had shot more, I would have probably bought another set of dies, to prevent the need for changing adjustments between the two. 9 and others like 2400 that are generally used for magnums). No sh!t. [.38 Special] is a very versatile and useful round. Bonus is the CT #305 grips are both large enough to be actually useful, and can use the laser, or turn it off if you dont need the laser. Use data for weight. Only need cast when driving up to 1200 fps or so. A little shopping around might do better, as would casting the lead bullets. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. Lucky me. Be careful !!!! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. These have a good profile- longer at the top where the middle finger rides, and shorter where the pinkie rests. The .38 Special is the most popular of all centerfire revolver cartridges. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. Ive not had a handgun entirely reject either load, so the recipe seems to be a worthy third alongside the previous .38 and .45.
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